“It feels like it’s constantly swimming upstream,” Kody said of the yearly one-on-one interviews

Kody Brown admitted that he felt hesitant going into his tell-all interview for Sister Wives season 20.

Before venturing to Scottsdale, Ariz., for his one-on-one interview with Sukanya “Suki” Krishnan, Kody lamented how difficult he felt the interviews had become, confessing that each year they seemed to be “harder than the year before.”

Kody also revealed that he gave the interviews a “special nickname”: the “chicken s— chit chat.”

“It feels like its constantly swimming upstream,” he said standing alongside wife Robyn outside of their home in Flagstaff, Ariz. “I’m tired of the antagonistic discussion. I’m tired of the .. throwing the accusations from at each other.”

In fact, Kody — who recently completed an apology tour with his ex wives — insisted he wanted the “backstabbing” to “stop.”

“We have began a forgiveness, I hope, and I don’t want to undo that and right now,” Kody explained, noting that the situation was “very fragile.”

But Kody was quick to throw jabs once the interviews began, first accusing his ex-wives, Janelle and Meri specifically, of playing “girl games” with him and Robyn.

“I’ve had them trashing me for over a year,” he said, later calling that an example of the “girl games.”

Kody then accused Meri of being “antagonistic all the time” and claimed she stopped communicating with him after he expressed that he did not like her best friend, Jen.

“It’s a verboten for me to insult Jen anymore,” Kody told Suki, later adding, “Meri will murder me if I talk bad about her friends.”

Later in the episode, Kody took aim at Janelle, accusing her once again of concocting a plan to try and sell Coyote Pass out from under Meri.

“Janelle just wanted to be paid,” Kody said, but suggested he felt they did not need to rush the sale.

After watching clips of himself and Janelle playing “he-said, she said” in their confessionals about the matter, Kody suggested Janelle was “misrepresenting the situation and insisted “it wasn’t my idea.”

Kody felt as though Janelle was “pressuring” him into selling the property out from under Meri, which he described as a “very typical plural marriage situation.”

“It was backstabby of Janelle,” he argued. When Suki commented that Kody may have also been acting in a “backstabby” manner, Kody pushed back. “I was already at a war with Meri! I wasn’t partnering with Meri … I wasn’t sucking up to Meri all the time. Janelle didn’t care, she just wanted to get her money.”

Meanwhile, Janelle vehemently denied Kody’s framing of the situation. “Look, all I can do is be responsible for what I know I said,” she explained to Suki. “I can’t be responsible for how they perceived [it] or what they think.”

Still, Kody insisted that the blame for the plan should be place squarely on Janelle’s shoulders, noting that she was the “manager of books” for the family.

“Janelle plays me all the time because I loved her — and might still — and I want her approval,” Kody asserted. “Yeah, that’s my mistake. My bad. When she calls, I start jumping.”